Thursday, November 18, 2004

By Way of Explanation; Slate Fray.

Most of the content in this post was deleted due to unacceptable concentration of bullshit per hundred words as well as gratuitous violence and a general irrelevance to anything of importance.


Anonymous said...

or one person could be reading the piece 30 times. Excellent work by the way.

Anonymous said...

I am a regular reader and I came by way of your music. I cannot imagine how you are able to think and perform at the level which you do. I would rank you with the great minds of this or any century and it appears you suffer a similar fate, that of being unseen while you pass. Please do not stop writing here, I rely on you. The world has become an ugly wasteland.

Andrew Sonneberg

Anonymous said...

Rock on!!!

Great stuff and on the money every step of the way. I read that piece about the blowjobs and San Francisco visit when Kevin arrived. The place has been in long decline since he got there. I stopped posting months ago but I still go back to see what my favorite writers have to say. You're at the top of my list. I'm glad I saw this link at BOTF or I would never have know where you'd gone. I'll e-mail you about some interesting stuff I heard recently.

Rick from Seattle (you'll remember me we had that argument about Nadar beginning of the year.)

Anonymous said...

If you thought you were just going to slip out of town without notice you can forget about it. Bald Tony is going off in top posts and threads about your blog and generally making even more of an embarrassing spectacle of himself than usual. He sure is fascinated with you. But he's not very bright to be giving you all that publicity.

I could say we'll miss you at the fray but you're just around the corner cyberwise so it's pretty funny when you think about it. For my money you're the best writer that ever passed through the avenue of desperation (nice one that).


MsZilla said...

If nothing else, you can thank Tony for sending several of us here. ;)

I'm glad to read you, and I don't care where it's at. Since I don't have any other way to contact you, I have a question. Do you mind if I post a link to your blog on my blog's homepage where I keep my daily round of links handy? I don't have a real readership, so you're not going to get flooded or anything.

Anonymous said...


ciinc said...

I posted this today at BOTF and several other Fray Forums:

Cassius on Julius Caesar

after reading that worthless and stale response:

Why, man, he stands with the puny world between his legs
Like a Colossus, and we insignificant men
Walk under his huge legs and look around
To find ourselves dishonorable graves.
Men at some point in time are in charge of their own destinies.
It is not the fault, dear Brutus, of our stars
That we are inferiors, but it is our own fault.
"Brutus" and "Caesar." What is so special about the name "Caesar"?
Why should that name be spoken more than yours?
Write them together: your name looks just as good.
Say them, yours sounds as good.
Weigh them, it is as heavy. Call up spirits with them:
"Brutus" will call up a spirit as soon as "Caesar."
Now in the names of all the gods at once,
What does our Caesar eat
To make him grow so large? It is a shameful time to be living!
Rome, you have lost all your noble people!
Since the great Flood, when was there a time
That wasn't made famous by more than one man?
When could people talking of Rome say (till now)
That her wide walls contained only one man?
Now it is Rome indeed, and plenty of room,
When there is only one man in it! O, you and I have heard our fathers say
That there was once a man named Brutus who would have tolerated
The eternal devil ruling Rome
As easily as he would a king.

ciinc said...

I posted this today at BOTF to Schadenfreude regarding his comment that you were antigay.


I think that Appolonius is against any single dimension of our humanness being used as a club against other humans (club meant in both senses.)

So let's agree that Appolonius believes the Fray to be "tilted" in the direction of gay sensibilities.

Then he will attack THE TILT because it is A TILT, not because it is gay sensibilities driving THE TILT.

I personally believe that Appolonius was probably anally raped more than once in his life, though I have no factual reason nor information from him to make me believe this, outside his poetry.

I DO NOT believe this experience, if it happened, made him anti-gay. Quite the opposite - I believe it permitted him to move beyond the usual perceptions of gayness and see it as just another dimension of our humanness. And as such, to be condemned when and only when it drives a TILT.

So, Appolonious may be right or he may be wrong in his perception that there is a TILT toward gay sensibilities here at the Fray. That is certainly a rationally arguable point.

But you do him a grave injustice for mistaking his tirades against what he perceives to be a TILT for tirades against the gay dimension of our humanity.

ciinc said...

Here's the link to the entire thread at the Slate Fray forum Best of the Fray.

Worth reading


ciinc said...

sorry - above link is wrong - here's the correct one:


Visible said...

Good grief! anal rape? where did you get that? Yeah I was in jails and prisons and what have you and certainly I had my share of assaults to deal with but that particular thing never came close to happening. I'm a lifetime practitioner of the martial arts though and that did stand me in good stead.

You might want to ask me about things before you uh..uh...heh heh. I've no problem being brutally honest about my life.

I don't understand the anti-gay perception- I was refering to the editors hypocrisy not his sexual orientation. I thought it was off the wall for him to be going on about cocksucking and yet manifest himself as a moral arbiter in other areas. \And sure he has pets but I was at pains to state that they were also the lame, the banal, the ennuchs of the keyboard who speak without passion as they mutter into scraggly teenage beards.

An email tells me that BT and Shad are going hammer and tongs about me. Don't they see what this says about them? That they were oh so silent when I was about and now they're pumping their fists in the air like a couple of punks that just rolled an old drunk? Why would they want to publicize their cowardice?

I have to laugh at the thought of the day that any of these fools crosses my path and tried any of that side of the mouth shit. pathetic.

This is a trip. Now I'm in my place talking about a place I left...irony drips from the screen. Ah well- tomorrows another day. I'll do the stupid thing and clarify my post... but that's it. Won't do any good though.

ciinc said...

Sorry about that anal rape business - i was just trying to indicate that you are far beyond caring who does what to whom with which. I clarified this in a post in one of the links above, and also made clear that it was probably me jumping to a conclusion from some of your poetry.

BTW, here's another link to another ongoing thread:


ciinc said...

damn, wrong link again! they've got me upset over there.

Here's the correct one:


Anonymous said...

Verbal Diarrhea here is better than Verbal Diarrhea on BOTF.

Y'all don't come back now, y'hear ya racist scumwad?

Visible said...

heh heh, Holy Buttcheeks Batman!

Anyway, I broke my rule of not going to BOTF and the Fray in general and spent some time reading all of the commentary regarding my absence. I'll deal with it all in the next post this after noon. I had no idea.

A classic Visible post:

With gratitude to Patrick Willis.

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